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Hello how much cost approx in good shape waffenrad 97a stayer waffenfabrik model? does anybody know? i find out it is model from 1912.
Hi Matod - wow this bike is amazing! Where did you find it? Are you looking to buy or sell it?
Also welcome to the forum - and apologies for my late reply!
Here is a good site to get some pricing. A 1938 vintage model in very good condition for Euro 1200. This can be a starting point for pricing - but the one in the photos is much rarer and also seems to be in very good condition (needs some restoration but seems sound).
I can also recommend willhaben.at to see some bikes for sale
Also how do you know the bike is from 1912?
Hello i looking for selling it , i think they have this bike in vienna museum and there is 1912 year of manufacture
this one is close to it but its not a version and it says 1912 https://josef.hammerle.me/bike/detail/id/9/name/Steyr+Waffenrad+Modell+97+1912
also here : https://www.flickr.com/photos/govert1970/3035355590
Hi Matod - yes I have seen the example in the Technisches Museum Wien and attach a few photos. I would be honoured to help you identify the exact model / year of your Waffenrad - once we get an idea I would recommend speaking to the Museum to see if they can help with valuation!
I note that your example seems to be a single speed - ie. no gears. You can date it from the rear hub - if you clean it, there will be a date embossed on the hub.
I will do some research tomorrow about the possible history of this bicycle.
if you look at the group: Dr. Glockentretlager and search for the thread "How to date a Waffenrad from the rear hub" - this will show you what to look for.
It can also be a Typ 91 https://josef.hammerle.me/bike/detail/id/399/name/Steyr+Waffenrad+Modell+91+1911
Look for the label on the front
and also look for the frame number
Can you also please confirm that the tyres are pneumatic (ie. inflatable)? It seems so from the pictures:
Yes they are pneumatic (ie. inflatable) , i will search numbers on friday
i found number
Ok there are two other things to look for:
Model says 97A stayer , on the hub i didnt found any number
Thank you very much for the photo! Model 97a was a touring machine first produced in 1912. My understanding is that production continued until the end of the first world war - I don't have a firm date on the last one built but would guess that it is from 1918-1920. So, I think we have enough information now to ask some experts about pricing. Apart from the Technical Museum in Vienna, I will suggest some other contacts who may be able to help you. Also, it would be very useful if you could provide a summary of whatever history you have about the bicycle. How did you come into its possession? Do you have any documentation? This will also aid the valuation discussion.
I would also add that the 97a is the "basic" Waffenrad from this period - and is likely more commonly found today than other models (such as the 98a, 100, 101, 102, 103 and Military version).
From the year 1913 onwards, OWG used 36 spokes instead of 40 for the back wheels of its bicycles. The front wheels still had 32 spokes. So this can also be a way to get a more precise date for your bike!
Thanks for help , sadly i dont have any other info i get bike from mine father and rest of history is unknown.
Has it been in your family since it was first purchased? Also please count the spokes on the back wheel...
yep father brought it like 30 y ago and i dont remeber details nor anyone from family.
Your father has very good taste! :0
by any chance you know somebody who would like to purchase it?
ye he liked old stuff
i don't know anyone who might purchase it. I would be interested if I had more space / money! The first thing to do is to get it valued. I suggest talking to some experts. There can also be auctions for vintage bikes - this way you can get the best price. We need to do more research about the sale now that we know what we have.
Don't forget to count the spokes on the back wheel. Front wheel should be 32...
I am happy to try and find a buyer for you - it would be helpful if you could take some good photographs of the bike outside in the light!
It's an honor to read through, what a piece of history!
If you want to sell it for a high price, you will have to fix it, this means renovation via ONLY professionals, keeping all the original parts!!!
This might boost the price a lot (to sell), but you yourself will have to invest into this project.
If on the other hand you directly want to sell to a Museum (and not collectors), the price will be lower unfortunately, but you will know your Dad's memorabilia is in safe hands!
If you wish we can announce it FOR SALE or help writing the letters to collectors. But as I can see, DeerMan already gave you substantial amount of information to fill an application in case going to an auction house... but sure, first have it checked, and get an estimate price!
some new photos , you can put it in to for sale pls , but still not sure about price
Thank you very much!
We will put it in the pimp your rad album specifying the series by year and gear.
Hi Matod - amazing pictures thank you! Did you manage to count the spokes on the rear wheel? 40 means the bike is from 1912. 36 would mean from 1913 onwards. I will try to count from the photos :0. Regarding valuation, I would suggest speaking to some experts in Austria (e.g. at the Technical Museum) - we can also suggest a couple of contacts if you are interested. Are you on Skype? Let's connect so we can organise ourselves!
Hmm - I get 34 spokes on the back wheel - I guess a couple are missing?
will try to count them this week
Good progress guys!
i count 36
So it can be around or after World War I.
I suggest a few years after. Let's check for further details.
hmm i see so its not that old
1920s for example is old, no?
Please compare with bikes you can check in the following database. If you find them somewhat similar, let us know!
I have already set up 1910 to 1920, but you can of course change the preferences.
You can set other dates easily.
For example this is 1911!